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    <title>topic Re: JN5169 internal LNA in Wireless MCU</title>
    <link>https://community.nxp.com/t5/Wireless-MCU/JN5169-internal-LNA/m-p/868624#M6062</link>
    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi Xi,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;the JN5169-001-M06-2 is high power and has an&amp;nbsp;FL connector. However, the Block diagram shows the M06 has a PA/LNA SE2431.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The&amp;nbsp;SE2431 has a&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;-Low FEM noise figure of 2dB typical.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;-Rx Gain(dB) Typ: 12.5&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;-TX Gain (dB): 23&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Gain is the sum of&amp;nbsp;the LNA + down-mixer + filter for each of the&amp;nbsp;3 possible&amp;nbsp;gains (high, middle, low):&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Rx NF (nominal value)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;High gain: 61dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;11dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;A data-content-finding="Community" href="mailto:Pin=-70dBm@ch11"&gt;Pin=-70dBm @ch11&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Mid gain:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 33dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 19dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;A data-content-finding="Community" href="mailto:Pin=-70dBm@ch11"&gt;Pin=-45dBm @ch11&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Low gain:&amp;nbsp; 13dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 39dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;A data-content-finding="Community" href="mailto:Pin=-24dBm@ch13"&gt;Pin=-24dBm @ch13&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Regards,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Mario&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2019 17:44:49 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>mario_castaneda</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2019-03-12T17:44:49Z</dc:date>
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      <title>JN5169 internal LNA</title>
      <link>https://community.nxp.com/t5/Wireless-MCU/JN5169-internal-LNA/m-p/868623#M6061</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am adding a FEM, Skyworks 66112, into the RFcircuit for&amp;nbsp;magnifying the output power. Meanwhile, I am investigating the effect to&amp;nbsp;receiver sensitivity as well.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;What's the noise figure and gain of the internal LNA in JN5169? &amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2019 12:11:13 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.nxp.com/t5/Wireless-MCU/JN5169-internal-LNA/m-p/868623#M6061</guid>
      <dc:creator>xi_zhan</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-03-05T12:11:13Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: JN5169 internal LNA</title>
      <link>https://community.nxp.com/t5/Wireless-MCU/JN5169-internal-LNA/m-p/868624#M6062</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi Xi,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;the JN5169-001-M06-2 is high power and has an&amp;nbsp;FL connector. However, the Block diagram shows the M06 has a PA/LNA SE2431.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The&amp;nbsp;SE2431 has a&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;-Low FEM noise figure of 2dB typical.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;-Rx Gain(dB) Typ: 12.5&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;-TX Gain (dB): 23&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Gain is the sum of&amp;nbsp;the LNA + down-mixer + filter for each of the&amp;nbsp;3 possible&amp;nbsp;gains (high, middle, low):&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Rx NF (nominal value)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;High gain: 61dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;11dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;A data-content-finding="Community" href="mailto:Pin=-70dBm@ch11"&gt;Pin=-70dBm @ch11&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Mid gain:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 33dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 19dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;A data-content-finding="Community" href="mailto:Pin=-70dBm@ch11"&gt;Pin=-45dBm @ch11&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Low gain:&amp;nbsp; 13dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 39dB&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;A data-content-finding="Community" href="mailto:Pin=-24dBm@ch13"&gt;Pin=-24dBm @ch13&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Regards,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Mario&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2019 17:44:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.nxp.com/t5/Wireless-MCU/JN5169-internal-LNA/m-p/868624#M6062</guid>
      <dc:creator>mario_castaneda</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-03-12T17:44:49Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: JN5169 internal LNA</title>
      <link>https://community.nxp.com/t5/Wireless-MCU/JN5169-internal-LNA/m-p/868625#M6063</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi Mario,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;From the datasheet of JN5169-001-M06-2, I saw the receiver sensitivity was improved from -96dBm to -100dBm with SE2431.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;As the Rx sensitivity improved by around 4dB, I assume the noise figure of JN5169 internal LNA is around 7dB.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The noise figure of SKY66112 is around 2dB, with a typical Rx gain of 11dB slightly lower than SE2431.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Therefore, I expect the Rx sensitivity would be improved by 4dB as well, if I add a SKY66112 between JN5169 and antenna port.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Do you agree with that?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Best regards,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Xi Zhan&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2019 06:33:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.nxp.com/t5/Wireless-MCU/JN5169-internal-LNA/m-p/868625#M6063</guid>
      <dc:creator>xi_zhan</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-03-13T06:33:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: JN5169 internal LNA</title>
      <link>https://community.nxp.com/t5/Wireless-MCU/JN5169-internal-LNA/m-p/868626#M6064</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi Xi,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It is possible to achieve the 4 dB extra that you want,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Note: Please be sure that you are care of the control lines and the machining pad of 50 ohms.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Regards,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Mario&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 18:26:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.nxp.com/t5/Wireless-MCU/JN5169-internal-LNA/m-p/868626#M6064</guid>
      <dc:creator>mario_castaneda</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-03-14T18:26:08Z</dc:date>
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