topic Re: PN7160 DPC check in NFC

PN7160 DPC check

Alb — Wed, 14 Jun 2023 14:44:01 GMT

Hi,

I'm trying to setup dpc on pn7160 (AN13224) but when I select "12"->DPC Check on "NfcFactoryTestApp" I get the answer "Error, cannot get parameter value". Buffer received is 4F 3F 01 09. Can you tell me which is the reason of failure and most important where I can find this info in nxp docs?

Thanks

Alberto

Re: PN7160 DPC check

danielchen — Tue, 20 Jun 2023 12:46:43 GMT

Hi @Alb

I would suggest you check AN13892: PN7160 FAQ.

Chapter 4: DPC configuration.

please check the parameters mentioned in this chapter.

Regards

Daniel

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Alb — Wed, 21 Jun 2023 06:11:26 GMT

Hi Daniel,

I will check parameters but can you tell me the meaning of device answer I reported for "DPC check" command in the app? I would like to have a clarification about it becasue using this setup reader works perfectly....

Thanks

Alberto

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Tomas_Parizek — Fri, 23 Jun 2023 05:43:05 GMT

Hello Alb,

Can you try the same with the code I attached, please? It should be the same as we used in AN13224.

You can just replace it in the linux_NfcFactoryTestApp folder as shown below:

Tomas

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Alb — Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:26:31 GMT

Hi Tomas,

I compared the source code and it's almost the same (some time stamp difference and the content of "GetNciParam").

I compiled app you gave me and I have the same result selecting "DPC" item -> "Error, cannot get parameter value". Buffer from device is the same I got using my app: 4F 3F 01 09

Alberto

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Tomas_Parizek — Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:59:33 GMT

Hello Alb,

Thanks for your feedback! And what about the "Get current value", does it work?

Could you also check what you have written in the EEPROM in A00B (DPC) register, please?

Tomas

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Alb — Fri, 23 Jun 2023 14:07:28 GMT

Hi Tomas,

get current always worked (109mA), I put the value in excel file from NXP to compute DPC command and I set it using "Set proprietary paramter"

20 02 5B 01 A0 0B 57 F3 13 90 09 0F 4E 0F 7C 95 B7 AA 7C 9F A7 99 A1 9F 97 99 B3 9F 97 99 B7 9F 97 00 C9 9F 07 00 CD 9F 07 00 DF 9F 07 00 E7 9F 07 00 F5 9F 07 00 F9 9F 07 00 0B 9F 04 00 0F 9F 04 00 21 9F 04 00 25 9F 04 00 37 9F 02 00 46 9F 00 00 51 9F 00 00 63 9F 00 00 76 9F 00 00

and software answer is "Proprietary parameter successfully set" so everything seemes to go well till this step. This is what I have reading DPC register

F3 13 90 09 0F 4E 0F 7C 95 B7 AA 7C 9F A7 99 A1 9F 97 99 B3 9F 97 99 B7 9F 97 00 C9 9F 07 00 CD 9F 07 00 DF 9F 07 00 E7 9F 07 00 F5 9F 07 00 F9 9F 07 00 0B 9F 04 00 0F 9F 04 00 21 9F 04 00 25 9F 04 00 37 9F 02 00 46 9F 00 00 51 9F 00 00 63 9F 00 00 76 9F 00 00

It's the same data. Even changing a little bit antenna matching and setting different value for the current has the same result: DPC Check can not extract values.

Thanks

Alberto

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Tomas_Parizek — Mon, 26 Jun 2023 06:24:27 GMT

Hello Alberto,

Ok, that is strange.

Can we confirm that the DPC really works?

You need to measure VDD(TX) voltage (pin 14 on the QFN package). Once you put a piece of metal or a PICC to the antenna proximity, you should see that this voltage will be regulated.

Can you check that, please?

Tomas

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Alb — Mon, 26 Jun 2023 12:05:38 GMT

Hi Tomas,

to be honest I'don't see any limitation. I put the device in discovery mode (item 2 of nfc app) and I see periodic peak at 5V but Vdd(tx) seems the same that I have disabling DPC (command 20 02 5B 01 A0 0B 57 10 10 90 72 0F 4E 00 3F 95 B7 AA 3F 9F A7 99 52 9F 97 99 5B 9F 97 99 5D 9F 97 00 66 9F 07 00 68 9F 07 00 72 9F 07 00 75 9F 07 00 7D 9F 07 00 7F 9F 07 00 88 9F 04 00 8A 9F 04 00 93 9F 04 00 95 9F 04 00 9E 9F 02 00 A6 9F 00 00 AB 1F 00 00 B5 1F 00 00 BE 1F 00 00). I used also "RF continous mode" but the voltage is 5V stable.

I detuned a little bit the board to use more current (now without load it's 180mA using "get current" form app instead of 109mA) but I don't see limitation. As you saw the eeprom has the value I set so I tought that dpc was on but mayble not.....

I attach the excel file with setup for DPC so maybe it's easy for you to see a mistake. My VDD is 5V: do I have to setup lines 24-25-26 in "LUT GENERATOR" sheet in excel file? Can it be the reason that dpc seems to be off?

Thanks and regards

Alberto

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Tomas_Parizek — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 08:31:42 GMT

Hello Alberto,

Thanks for your feedback!

The Excel sheet looks OK from my point of view. I am sorry I did not give you full instructions on how the check the DPC on VDD(TX) line.

The DPC is "visible" only after "NFC tag activation" -> In the NFC Factory test app, you need to go for option number 2 -> Functional Mode. Then place an NFC Card in the proximity and then check the VDD(TX) voltage. Once the NFC Card is still in the proximity you can approach a piece of metal and check the VDD(TX). You should see that this voltage will change.

I would like to confirm whether the DPC works or not. If yes, we need to check the NCI communication why the DPC check does not work. We tested the code I gave you on a different PN7160 sample, it was also working.

BTW. I will contact you via email and we can schedule a call and check your issue.

Tomas

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Alb — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 13:34:39 GMT

Hi Tomas,

I did the check with metal but I don't see any difference. I attach pictures so maybe you can check if you see something. BTW device reads the tag even with a big piece of metal on top.

My Vdd is 5V: could the problem be that in excel file I didn't enable lines 24-26 in "LUT GENERATOR" sheet?

Regards

Alberto

Re: PN7160 DPC check

mark_tang — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 07:35:18 GMT

Hi Alberto：

I'm having the same issue, have you already solved it (Android 13 ),the current is 032E without card in the proximity.When Placing an card in the proximity ,the current is 037F

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Tomas_Parizek — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:26:04 GMT

Hello mark_tang,

Thanks for your input!

We are checking the topic internally in our labs. We will come back to you as soon as possible.

Thanks !

Tomas

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Tomas_Parizek — Tue, 04 Jul 2023 06:29:06 GMT

Hello Alberto,

Could you share your "NfcFactoryTestApp.c" code, please?

Tomas

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Tomas_Parizek — Tue, 04 Jul 2023 06:29:36 GMT

Hello mark_tang

Could you share your "NfcFactoryTestApp.c" code, please?

Tomas

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Alb — Tue, 04 Jul 2023 06:58:12 GMT

Hi Tomas,

I'm using the code you sent me a couple of weeks ago (I just added lines from 371 to 378 to show device answer buffer of DPC Check command).

regards

Alberto

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Tomas_Parizek — Tue, 04 Jul 2023 08:12:24 GMT

Hello Alberto,

OK, thanks!

It is very interesting. I just took a fresh Linux environment + the code you just gave me (to avoid some differences)

I put the same DPC values to the EEPROM and I can still get something out of DPC check.

What if you just press "CTR+c" which restarts the app and try it again? Do you get the same issue still?

BTW. Are you using A1 (I2C) version or B1 (SPI) of PN7160?

Tomas

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Alb — Tue, 04 Jul 2023 08:35:14 GMT

Hi Tomas,

same result restarting app or writing "FF" to come back from "DPC Check" to main menu. I'm using PN7160 i2c version and app is running on raspeberry. I attach the picture of the device: maybe wrong fw or some defective batch?

regards

Alberto

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Tomas_Parizek — Tue, 04 Jul 2023 08:59:17 GMT

Hello Alberto,

Ok, thanks! The IC FW should be the same on my side.

What about the "libnfc-nxp.conf". Can you share this file, please? I would like to compare our settings.#

You find it in the conf directory.

Tomas

Re: PN7160 DPC check

Alb — Tue, 04 Jul 2023 09:11:28 GMT

Hi Tomas,

maybe I found the problem: is "DPC CHEKC" (pag 17 in "AN13224.pdf") what you call "dpc helper" (pag 6 of in "PN7160_PN7161.pdf")?

Dpc helper seems to be available only as a firmware update (12.50.06). This is what nxp wrote: Production samples will have 12.50.05 firmware.

Does "production samples" means first available samples for this product or mass production?

If it's mass production there are no devices with 12.50.06 and dpc helper is not available without fw upgrade. Let me know

regards

Alberto