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K82 SDK example for TRNG

EugeneHiihtaja — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 14:53:50 GMT

Hello !

I have K82 BusClock 48 Mhz and with this clock I try to use TRNG in way like in SDK example.

Initialization is OK but GetRandomData is always return error.

TRNG_GetDefaultConfig(&trngConfig);
/* Set sample mode of the TRNG ring oscillator to Von Neumann, for better random data.
* It is optional.*/
trngConfig.sampleMode = kTRNG_SampleModeVonNeumann;

/* Initialize TRNG */
status = TRNG_Init(TRNG0, &trngConfig);

I have reduced clock divider from default to 2,4,or kTRNG_RingOscDiv8

trngConfig.ringOscDiv = TRNG_USER_CONFIG_DEFAULT_OSC_DIV; // 0 -> 2,4,8

and GetRandomData start to return OK status and some random data.

I have taken data by 4 byte chunks and always last 3 bytes are equal,

like 0x68 0x35 0x35 0x35

So I think I need better configuration for TRNG block.

Could you suggest configuration values what make TRNG faster and more random ?

Regards,

Eugene

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

Hui_Ma — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 02:39:47 GMT

Hi,

I am not sure if you have referred the MCUXpresso SDK(SDK Version: KSDK 2.4.1) for FRDM-K82F board [TRNG] demo with below path:

C:\nxp\FRDM-K82F\boards\frdmk82f\driver_examples\trng\random

Wish it helps.

Have a great day,
Mike

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Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

EugeneHiihtaja — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 08:24:44 GMT

Hi !

Example is the same as in previous version of SDK.

Divider is set to 0 and TRNG dosn't work even BusClock = 48Mhz.

trngConfig.ringOscDiv = TRNG_USER_CONFIG_DEFAULT_OSC_DIV;

divider is need to be set.

Regards,

Eugene

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

Hui_Ma — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 08:20:30 GMT

Hi Eugene,

First of all, sorry for the delay reply.

I did a test at FRDM-K82F board (Rev. B2) with MCUXpresso SDK [trng_random] demo, the SDK Version: KSDK 2.4.1 (2018-06-18).

I could get TRNG run with TRNG_USER_CONFIG_DEFAULT_OSC_DIV value 0.

Please check below TRNG0_MCTL register value:

The Bus clock is 60MHz.

My serial terminal get below TRNG result output:

I checked the <fsl_trng.c> file about default value of TRNG_USER_CONFIG_DEFAULT_OSC_DIV.

The <trng_random> project using CPU_MK82FN256VLL15 definition for MCU, so the default TRNG_USER_CONFIG_DEFAULT_OSC_DIV macro value is kTRNG_RingOscDiv0 (0).

Wish it helps.

Have a great day,
Mike

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

EugeneHiihtaja — Fri, 06 Jul 2018 07:29:19 GMT

Hi !

I have tried multiple times :

1. If TRNG init done like this, GetRandomData() is always failed:

TRNG_GetDefaultConfig(&trngConfig);
/* Set sample mode of the TRNG ring oscillator to Von Neumann, for better random data.*/
trngConfig.sampleMode = kTRNG_SampleModeVonNeumann;

TRNG_Init(TRNG0, &trngConfig);

2. If Like this , always OK :

TRNG_GetDefaultConfig(&trngConfig);
/* Set sample mode of the TRNG ring oscillator to Von Neumann, for better random data.*/
trngConfig.sampleMode = kTRNG_SampleModeVonNeumann;
trngConfig.ringOscDiv = kTRNG_RingOscDiv2; // +++

TRNG_Init(TRNG0, &trngConfig);

Reason is unknown for me.

Regards,

Eugene

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

Hui_Ma — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 02:09:17 GMT

Hi,

Sorry for the delay reply.

I use the similar init code (1) and couldn't generate your mentioned issue with FRDM-K82F board.

Chip info:

MK82FN256VLL15

mask set: 1N03P

QAC1531C

What's your chip info?

How many chips on your site with this behavior?

Have a great day,
Mike

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

EugeneHiihtaja — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 06:45:47 GMT

Hi !

I have exactly the same lchip info on MCU.

Also I have read DIE_ID and REV_ID by using (SIM_SDID_DIEID(SIM->SDID)), (SIM_SDID_REVID(SIM->SDID))

- MCU DIE_ID 0xC00, REV_ID 0x8000

Issue is reproducible very well. Can it depends from someting else ?

I have only one board, but if you think this is board specific, I will try to find other one.

Regards,

Eugene

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

Hui_Ma — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:37:06 GMT

Hi Eugene,

Please check my FRDM-K82F board SIM-SDIO register info:

I tried two FRDM-K82F board with same results (could not regenerate your mentioned issue).

Thank you for the attention.

Have a great day,
Mike

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

EugeneHiihtaja — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:36:44 GMT

Hi Mike !

I have the same value in SIM-SDIO register.

I will try more boards. But on current one it is clear reproducible.

Regards,

Eugene

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

Hui_Ma — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 01:35:52 GMT

Hi Eugene,

Please let us know the result. Thank you.

best regards,

Mike

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

EugeneHiihtaja — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 07:45:08 GMT

Hi !

I have got second board and result is the same.

With default configuration , TRNG is not able to generate random data.

Bus clock is 48 Mhz.

So if oscillator clock is not divided, GetRandomData() always return error 1.

Could you suggest exact check list for all other dependencies what might have effect for TRNG functionality ?

Current issue is reproducible on 2 boards and it is start to be interesting what can be problem.

Regards,

Eugene

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

Hui_Ma — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 01:51:49 GMT

Hi Eugene,

Thank you for the info.

Could you please provide your used MCUXpresso SDK software package info and IDE software & version info?

I think there should not with hardware issue, for you are using the same FRDM-K82F board.

I would check if there with software issue. Thanks.

Have a great day,
Mike

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

EugeneHiihtaja — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 07:14:28 GMT

Hi Mike !

I'm using all latest versions.

- MCUXpresso IDE v10.2.1 [Build 795] [2018-07-25]
- MCUXpresso SDK v2.4.1 [2018-06-18]

and TRNG is initialized by using mbedTLS library call CRYPTO_InitHardware();

divider value 2 and up and everything is work.

May be I should return to some examples from SDK. I also use direct JTAG flashing and J19 connector in use.

All other components work fine. This is only one line what is problem.

I have started to divide clock becouse find some mentioned about it in nxp community blogs but I can't find link any more.

Regards,

Eugene

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

Hui_Ma — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 03:30:30 GMT

Hi Eugene,

I did a test with MCUXpresso SDK provided <frdmk82f_mbedtls_benchmark> project and didn't find your mentioned issue.

My hardware test environment is below:

I checked the TRNG0_MCTL register value, the [OSC_DIV] value is 0x0.

I didn't modify the [ksdk_mbedtls.c] file, which with below code to initialize TRNG module:

I copy <trng_random> project code to [benchmark.c] file to generate random numbers:

I also attached my modified [benchmark.c] file for your reference.

I didn't meet any issue with above code.

Thank you for the attention.

Have a great day,
Mike

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

EugeneHiihtaja — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 11:49:06 GMT

Hi Mike !

But you execute test at original system clock 120 Mhz ?

For have shared example, I have taken mbedtls_selftest and drop system/bus clock to 40 Mhz by using embedded ConfigTools. And result is fully reproducable, if divisor 0 it returns 1 and ENTROPY test is not pass.

So it some how depends from value of clocks and I haven't modify clock tree.

I have attached modified example from SDK.

In my code I have the next clocks :

kCLOCK_CoreSysClk - 48000000 Hz
kCLOCK_BusClk - 48000000 Hz
kCLOCK_FlexBusClk - 6000000 Hz
kCLOCK_FlashClk - 24000000 Hz
kCLOCK_PllFllSelClk - 12000000 Hz

and at list divider 2 is need.

It would be nice to know from what clocks have so nice dependence.

It help to rearrange clock/tree for avoid this nonstability of TRNG.

Regards,

Eugene

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

Hui_Ma — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 08:25:36 GMT

Hi Eugene,

I use your attached code and could generate your mentioned issue.

Then, I do a test with different clock frequency and check TRNG working status.

Please check below test result:

There with below description about TRNG working scheme:

TRNG is based on collecting bits from a random noise source. This random noise source is a ring oscillator that is sensitive to random noise (temperature variations, voltage variations, cross-talk and other random noise) within the device in which the TRNG is used.

The ring oscillator clock frequency doesn't mentioned in reference manual.

From the test, the TRNG working status quite related with bus clock and itself clock frequency.

Thank you for the attention.

Have a great day,
Mike

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

EugeneHiihtaja — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 08:45:25 GMT

Hi Mike !

But what it means for our case ? If we select right divider and TRNG work in normal condition,

can we be sure if power mode transpositions, temperature and etc. will not have any effect for entropy of TRNG ?

Please, give advice.

Regards,

Eugene

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

Hui_Ma — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 02:14:53 GMT

Hi Eugene,

There with less info at reference manual about TRNG working conditions (bus clock frequency and TRNG clock frequency).

I need to check with Kinetis product team about it.

I will let you know when there with any feedback.

Thank you for the patience.

best regards,

Mike

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

Hui_Ma — Wed, 08 Aug 2018 01:39:18 GMT

Hi Eugene,

Please check Kinetis product team below feedback:

The problem is that as you slow down the peripheral clock for the TRNG module, the TRNG oscillator is running too fast to clock the downstream logic. Changing the OSC_DIV setting allows for slowing down the TRNG oscillator. In general the design team recommends using OSC_DIV=01 and SAMP_MODE=01 on K81.

On a properly working TRNG, setting SAMP_MODE=00 does not improve the results, and make the TRNG take 4x as long to generate entropy (of no better quality).

I'm not sure how you got some of the lower frequency tests to work. It might be that with some configurations there was some aliasing taking place that allowed the test to pass. Even with the max frequency using OSC_DIV=01 is recommended, and with that setting you should be able to cover reasonable RUN frequencies.

Wish it helps.

Have a great day,
Mike

Re: K82 SDK example for TRNG

EugeneHiihtaja — Wed, 08 Aug 2018 07:04:39 GMT

Hi Mike !

So you recommend do not use System/Bus clock less than 60Mhz.

And we can assume if TRNG give good result at normal condition, it will not fail later on with other temperature and transistition to/from low power mode ? I mean RUN to VLLS3/LLS3 and back.

Is this so ?

Regards,

Eugene