topic Re: I2S vs PCM interface in i.MX Processors

I2S vs PCM interface

apiscozzo — Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:04:02 GMT

Hi all,

I've always considered the I2S interface as a synchronised bus meant to transmit audio content in PCM format.

Now.. in my project I need to interface a GSM modem to the i.MX8 MQ processor.

All (not only one) the datasheets of all the GSM modems that I've been considering refer to their audio interface as PCM (not I2S).

Signals seem different (although similar). The PCM interface doesn't differentiate between L and R channel and the sync signal only provides synchronisation between successive samples.

GSM modem audio interface signals (PCM interface)

Question:

is it possible to configure the SAI in the iMX8 MQ processor to communicate with this standard?

Not interested in details. For now I'd only need the name of the configuration that NXP uses to identify this standard (I2S, Codec/DSP modes, TDM, etc.).

Thanks and kind regards,

Alessandro

Re: I2S vs PCM interface

igorpadykov — Thu, 13 Feb 2020 23:37:41 GMT

Hi Alessandro

>is it possible to configure the SAI in the iMX8 MQ processor to communicate with this standard?

sorry i.MX8MQ I2S does not support PCM format which described on Pulse-code modulation - Wikipedia

Best regards
igor
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Re: I2S vs PCM interface

apiscozzo — Fri, 14 Feb 2020 09:13:51 GMT

Hi Igor, thanks for your answer.

Is there any NXP official document showing the waveforms of the DSP/Codec functional mode of the SAI interface inside the iMX8 MQ?

Thanks and regards,

Alessandro

Re: I2S vs PCM interface

igorpadykov — Fri, 14 Feb 2020 10:11:46 GMT

Hi Alessandro

one can look at sect.3.9.11 SAI/I2S switching specifications

i.MX 8M Dual / 8M QuadLite / 8M Quad Applications Processors Data Sheet for Consumer Products

and sai appnotes for other processors, as sai is the same module:

AN12202 Using Synchronous Audio Interface (SAI) on S32K148

https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/application-note/AN12202.pdf

Best regards
igor

Re: I2S vs PCM interface

apiscozzo — Fri, 14 Feb 2020 10:18:39 GMT

Hi Igor,

Thanks. Actually the first link shows the SAI waveforms only in I2S mode.

The second link shows exactly what I was looking for.

The DSP mode is described at page 4. This matches exactly the waveforms of my GSM module. So, if I could use this operating mode on the iMX8MQ, that would work.

The document that the second link refers to though, is about another processor: the S32K148,

Question:

Can I assume that there is no difference between the implementation of the SAI in the S32K148 and iMX8MQ?

Thanks and kind regards,

Alessandro

Re: I2S vs PCM interface

igorpadykov — Sat, 15 Feb 2020 05:13:12 GMT

Hi Alessandro

yes in general SAI module is the same on both processors.

Best regards
igor

Re: I2S vs PCM interface

apiscozzo — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 10:32:44 GMT

Hi Igor,

I think it's solved... I'm waiting for NXP's official feedback but I think that “codec/DSP” functional mode (as any other SAI operating mode) is nothing but a configuration of the SYNC signal, polarities and width of involved signals.

So there won’t be any register telling the SAI to behave like a “PCM” interface or “DSP/Codec”, or “I2S” interface, but I2S, PCM and DSP/Codec interfaces are different configurations of the signals involved (mainly SCK and SYNC) setting individual registers.

Below an example of how to configure the SAI interface to communicate with the GSM module that I intend to use. Different information came from different sources.. it was a bit of a collage work but I think it makes sense.

Re: I2S vs PCM interface

davideballestre — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:20:20 GMT

Hi Alessandro,

I'm facing the same issue on a custom IMX8M board. I'm going to try your solution to support a Quectel PCM modem.

Any news from NXP support?

Regards

Davide

Re: I2S vs PCM interface

apiscozzo — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:15:24 GMT

Hi Davide,

NXP has confirmed that the solution is correct.

Regards,

Alessandro

Re: I2S vs PCM interface

jimi_lin — Tue, 30 Jun 2020 02:47:17 GMT

Hi Alessandro,

I'm also facing the same issue on IMX8MM.

In your scenario who is the PCM master? Quectel or IMX8?(I mean who generate the clk & sync?)

And how do you set your DAI fmt for PCM interface(SAI)?

I was confuse on the PCM data formats, which one should I need to set?

ret = snd_soc_dai_set_fmt(cpu_dai, SND_SOC_DAI_FORMAT_DSP_A | SND_SOC_DAIFMT_NB_NF | SND_SOC_DAIFMT_CBM_CFM);

If you can help on this, it would be great.

Thanks

Re: I2S vs PCM interface

ko-hey — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 00:17:09 GMT

Hi @apiscozzo ,

We have the same problem with i.mx8mm.
Did you finally succeed in sending and receiving PCM with SAI?

Ko-hey