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True Random Number Generator (TRNG): Entropy source

Vojtech — Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:03:08 GMT

Hello,

I would like to generate True Random Number on S32K148.

In Reference Manual is written " Additionally a TRNG and Miyaguchi-Prenell compression sub-blocks enables true random number generation (entropy generator for PRNG in AES sub-block). "

So if these sub-blocks enables "entropy generator" so they should be able to generate entropy, right?

So if I need to generate True Random Number so I have to enhance actual PRNG seed by calling of "Csec_Ip_ExtendSeed(const uint8* pEntropy);"

The question is, where can I get the entropy source?

I have found this thread (In the S32K family, how many bits of entropy are i... - NXP Community), but the entropy source was not answered there.

Is there any document describing TRNG or any example code for this topic?

Thank you for any hints !

Vojtech

Re: True Random Number Generator (TRNG): Entropy source

lukaszadrapa — Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:17:58 GMT

Hi @Vojtech
it's not possible to get the true random number directly. It's internal feature not available to user. User can get only pseudo random number using CMD_RND command.
Regards,
Lukas

Re: True Random Number Generator (TRNG): Entropy source

Vojtech — Thu, 14 Sep 2023 06:21:52 GMT

Hello Lukas,

thanks for quick answer, actually I am still little bit confused from this topic.

In Reference Manual is written that there is TRNG:

So there is TRNG, but it cant be used? So what for is intended TRNG_RND command (but I could not find it in the CSEC API)

Is there any way how to get True Random Number from S32K148 from CSEc ? Can function Csec_Ip_ExtendSeed(const uint8* pEntropy) helps here?

Or it will be always only pseudo number at the end?

Thank you

Re: True Random Number Generator (TRNG): Entropy source

lukaszadrapa — Thu, 14 Sep 2023 09:18:22 GMT

As I said, user can't get the true random number.

The TRNG is used only internally to generate seed for PRNG. This implementation is required by SHE specification.

Regards,

Lukas

Re: True Random Number Generator (TRNG): Entropy source

Vojtech — Thu, 14 Sep 2023 09:42:48 GMT

OK, got it, so only pseudo random number is possible.

Thank you

Vojtech

Re: True Random Number Generator (TRNG): Entropy source

Derek_Yoon — Tue, 29 Oct 2024 20:07:04 GMT

@lukaszadrapa

I'm using S32K116 and I have a concern regarding RNG.

I know that PRNG requires a seed with a certain entropy value.

If the seed is generated internally with TRNG, is it not necessary to input a separate seed when using the CMD_RND command?